Day 10 of the Newborn trial concludes

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The trial of 47 defendants, 22 of whom are in custody, in the Newborn Gang case continued yesterday. Non-detained defendants presented their defense yesterday at the Istanbul 22nd High Criminal Court. 

Ali Dirik, a non-detained defendant and the responsible manager of Esenler Güney Hospital, stated in his defense: “I do not know Fırat Sarı. We were having trouble finding nurses. Fırat Sarı was reached through a doctor. We met under the name of consultancy services. One day, I saw empty medicine boxes. I called the nurses and asked, ‘Did you administer these medicines?’ They said, ‘No.’ I called Fırat Sarı and said, ‘These are not being billed to the SGK.’ The corruption started there. I began to examine the files. There were deficiencies in the files. I told Fırat Sarı to bring the missing files. He brought some of them. I asked him to explain the medicines. He could not explain them. He came to the hospital, and we argued. He told me, ‘I have a prosecutor acquaintance.’ I decided not to receive consultancy services anymore. I dismissed their nurses.” he said.

‘HE STARTED TO INSULT’

Non-detained defendant Ayşe Müzeyyen Yurtoğlu said the following in her defense:

“I am the Chairperson of the Board of Directors of Güney Hospital. Our birth rates increased. We needed doctors. Upon a friend's recommendation, I called Mr. Fırat. We talked, and he said they provided consultancy services to many hospitals. Then we introduced them to our Chief Physician, Mr. Ali. We accepted, and the process began. One day, Mr. Ali came and said, ‘There are problems with the consultancy company, we warned them, you talk to them too.’ We started talking to Mr. Fırat, but he began to threaten and insult the Chief Physician. Our Chief Physician shouted, ‘You cannot explain the medicine at all.’ He replied, ‘I do not accept such a thing.’ I said, ‘Okay, we are no longer working with you.’ Mr. Fırat had previously said, ‘Don't worry, I have many acquaintances. I have a prosecutor acquaintance in Büyükçekmece.’ During the extraordinary inspection, when the prosecutor came from Büyükçekmece, I thought he had made the complaint. I called him in the evening and asked, ‘You made the complaint, didn't you?’ Otherwise, why would they come from the Büyükçekmece Chief Public Prosecutor's Office? The main reason we ended the agreement with Fırat Sarı was the medicines. They were medicines that the SGK did not pay for.” When the presiding judge asked if there was a problem in the hospital regarding the medicines, Yurtoğlu replied, “When you cannot prove it, you cannot complain either.” 

'THE BABY WAS IN A PRE-DEATH STATE'

In the continuation of his defense, defendant Yurtoğlu stated, "It was the 16th, I arrived around noon, and there was chaos at the hospital. They said, 'There is an extraordinary inspection.' By evening, the baby had passed away. I asked, 'Why did this happen?' A state hospital could not find a place for a high-risk pregnancy at Esencan Hospital, so Dr. Ali was called, and he accepted. The baby was born at 500 grams and was in a pre-death state. I could not have any effort to defraud the SGK. Because the neonatal intensive care unit is not a unit with such high returns." The hearing was adjourned until 09:30 today. 

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DAY 10 BEGINS 

The 10th day of the Newborn Gang trial has begun.

Today, the remaining 7 non-detained defendants will be tried. 

The hearing began at 10:20 AM with the defense of Hıdır Yüksel, the chief physician of Reyap Hospital.

It is stated that Hıdır Yüksel is accused of 'committing the crime of qualified fraud by engaging in irregular epicrisis writing in the neonatal intensive care unit of the hospital where he was chief physician, transferring patients without using the 112 system, manipulating patient care levels, and billing medication to the SGK in a manner contrary to the truth.'

Hıdır Yüksel is presenting his defense while seated: 

I have been a physician for 55 years. As a matter of principle, I have never allowed corruption or irresponsibility in my workplace. I know Dr. Fırat Sarı. I know Cansu and Mehtap.

Presiding Judge: Was there an operating entity?

Hıdır Yüksel: There was no such thing as an operating entity. 

Presiding Judge: Do you have any information regarding the referrals coming from 112?

Hıdır Yüksel: We are a corporate hospital. I don't think we receive many referrals from outside.

“I HAVE A 5-10 PERCENT SHARE”

Presiding Judge: Frankly, it is stated that the patient's condition is poor and attempts are made to show it as high-level; do you have any information about the audit?

Defendant: Nothing has been reported to me. 

Presiding Judge: Did you serve as the chief physician at Çorlu Reyap?

Hıdır Yüksel: I served until 2017. Afterward, I moved to Esenyurt Reyap. After me, a colleague named İbrahim Oktay served as the responsible manager. During my time, the colleague looking after the newborn unit was someone else. Fırat Bey arrived after I left. (He does not know the difference between a chief physician and a responsible manager)

Presiding Judge: Do you have a partnership with Reyap Hospital?

Hıdır Yüksel: I have a small share. Between 5 and 10 percent.

Presiding Judge: Who was the person who hired Fırat Sarı as a doctor at Reyap?

Hıdır Yüksel: Human resources researched him. Mr. Fırat applied. The medical director accepts him along with his diploma. 

Presiding Judge: When did you hire him?

Hıdır Yüksel: He started about 5 years ago. I did not interview him. It might have been during my time, but I don't remember. 

Presiding Judge: Do the Reyap hospitals in Çorlu and Esenyurt belong to the same person?

Defendant: The owners are brothers.

“AT THE PROVINCIAL HEALTH DIRECTORATE'S DISCRETION”

Presiding Judge: Was it by your decision that Fırat Sarı was sent to Çorlu Reyap?

Defendant: The Provincial Health Directorate handled that. It was at their discretion. 

Presiding Judge: What was the nature of Fırat Sarı's contract with you?

Defendant: I wouldn't know about that. I am not aware of financial matters.

SGK Representative: Do you hold a board membership at Reyap Hospital?

Defendant: Certainly. Every hospital has a management. I may appear as the deputy chairman of the board. 

Lawyer: Who is the chairman?

Defendant: I have no information regarding the companies.

"WHO RECOMMENDED Fırat Sarı TO THE PROVINCIAL HEALTH DIRECTORATE?"

SGK attorney: The chief physician said, 'We are the ones who proposed that Fırat Sarı work as a doctor at the Provincial Health Directorate.' Who recommended Fırat Sarı to the Provincial Health Directorate? 

Hıdır Yüksel: It is not the board of directors' signature. Documents and diplomas come to human resources. How does a physician work? With the documents, the physician goes to the Provincial Health Directorate and obtains a Work Permit. That is how they start working. I have been saying this from the beginning. To work in private hospitals, a doctor must obtain a Work Permit. They receive their work authorization from the Provincial Health Directorate. 

Defendant Ali Aksu approached the witness stand.

Ali Aksu works as the responsible manager of Birinci Hospital. 

He is accused of 'committing the crime of qualified fraud by writing irregular epicrises in the hospital's neonatal intensive care unit, transferring patients without using the 112 system, manipulating patient levels, and billing medications to the SGK in a manner contrary to the truth; in this context, failing to fulfill his contractual responsibilities and causing the death of baby Opara, thereby committing the crime of negligent homicide; and additionally, committing the crime of forgery of official documents by giving instructions to fill in the time of death of baby Opara in the Death Notification System (ÖBS) in a manner contrary to the truth.'

(His lawyer requested that he be allowed to sit while presenting his defense due to health issues, but he is currently presenting his defense while standing.)

"NOT ALL PHYSICIANS AGREE ON THE LEVELING ISSUE"

Defendant Ali Aksu, owner of Birinci Hospital, presents his defense: 

“I have performed thousands of surgeries in my 32-year professional career. I am deeply saddened to be standing before you with such a case file. 

I do not believe certain issues have been clarified. 

What is an epicrisis? An epicrisis is a document where all details, such as a patient's identification information and examination findings, are recorded. In the regulation published by the SGK on March 8, 2017, it can be seen that there are dozens of criteria for each level of intensive care. The SGK examines all invoices from private hospitals one by one. 

The SGK has the authority to access private hospital data at any time via the Medula system. It also conducts audits from time to time. In other words, increasing the level does not mean that payment will be made. Ultimately, the level is not a matter on which all physicians agree. A patient whom one physician classifies as level 3 may be classified as level 2 by another. Because of this discrepancy, the SGK has an invoice review center.

“NO PEDIATRIC INTENSIVE CARE BEDS AVAILABLE VIA 112”

Ali Aksu, owner of Birinci Hospital: Baby Opara arrived at Beylikdüzü Medilife Hospital on January 14, 2024, with complaints of a cough. After being examined, the baby was sent home. Unfortunately, the initial diagnoses are not included in the expert opinion. When the condition worsened again, the baby was brought to the hospital on January 16 and admitted to the ward. Oxygen therapy was administered. Cardiac arrest occurred in the 8th hour of admission. Resuscitation was performed twice.  

Afterward, the baby was placed in an incubator in the neonatal unit. Because the baby was 6 months old, a pediatric intensive care bed was sought through 112, but unfortunately, none could be found. It is impossible to reject a patient who arrives in an emergency situation by saying we have no space.  

I would like to return to the expert opinion here. The expert opinion is so flawed that they even wrote the name of the first hospital incorrectly. They wrote Bağcılar Medilife Hospital instead of Beylikdüzü Medilife Hospital.

AUTOPSY REQUEST FOR BABY OPARA

Ali Aksu: I apologize to the pediatric specialists present in the courtroom. Although Baby Opara was 6 months old, he weighed only 5 kilograms. Normally, he would be expected to weigh 7-8 kilograms; in other words, there is a serious developmental delay.  

I wish it had been possible for an autopsy to be performed by the Council of Forensic Medicine. Your Honor, the greatest deficiency in this file is that autopsies were not performed. Even the forensic examinations to be conducted from this stage onward will remain incomplete. If the parties deem it appropriate, we request an autopsy for Baby Opara.

“30 PERCENT IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, 70 PERCENT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR”

Ali Aksu: 30 percent of neonatal intensive care units are in the public sector, and 70 percent are in private hospitals. 

It is truly very difficult to find an on-duty pediatric specialist to work at night in Istanbul. For this reason, it is true that we received consultancy services for these positions. This also includes the provision of trained nurses and trained personnel. 

This case has gone down in history as the first trial in the history of the Republic of Turkey where a verdict was reached via social media based on allegations that doctors and nurses collaborated to kill babies. A trial by media has taken place, and people's dignity has been toyed with. I have full faith that the material truth will emerge as soon as possible.

“THERE WAS NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT”

Presiding Judge: Are you one of the partners of this hospital?

Ali Aksu: It is our family company.

Presiding Judge: Are you the owner of it?

Ali Aksu: I am the chairman of the board.

Presiding Judge: Did you make a consultancy agreement?

Ali Aksu: There was no written agreement, only a verbal understanding.

Presiding Judge: Did you conduct the negotiations yourself?

Ali Aksu: The general managers held meetings. It could have been Mr. Necdet, or it could have been Mr. Halis.

“AMOUNTS UNDER 100 THOUSAND”

Presiding Judge: Did the Opara baby incident occur during your tenure?

Ali Aksu: It happened during my time as chief physician.

Presiding Judge: How was the agreement made?

Ali Aksu: Since these are small amounts, amounts under 100 thousand, they are approved by the lower-level staff.

Presiding Judge: Who would know about it?

Ali Aksu: The general managers.

Presiding Judge: You say there is no written contract. There are no contracts in most of these files, and all the problems stem from this.

“HE WAS INVOLVED WITH BABY OPARA”

Presiding Judge: Who among the defendants do you know?

Ali Aksu: I saw Fırat Sarı twice. 

Presiding Judge: Emine Avcı?

There is an Emine who works for us. She works as the patient services manager.

Presiding Judge: Hakan Doğukan?

Ali Aksu: I saw him once. He was involved with Baby Opara. We terminated his employment.

Presiding Judge: How many pediatricians do you have for the neonatal unit?

Ali Aksu: We have five pediatricians.

Presiding Judge: Who was in charge of the neonatal unit?

Ali Aksu: Mr. Şeyhmus was in charge.

Presiding Judge: During the day or at night?

Ali Aksu: During the day.

Presiding Judge: At night?

Ali Aksu: The doctors and on-call staff.

Presiding Judge: Who prepares the shift schedule?

Ali Aksu: The general manager and the head nurse prepare the shift schedule.

Presiding Judge: Do these lists remain only on paper, or are they recorded somewhere?

Ali Aksu: The shift schedules are followed 90-95 percent of the time. They make changes among themselves about 5 percent of the time. On-call duties are also performed by specialists. From time to time, support is requested from external physicians.

Presiding Judge: Is the staff working in the neonatal unit your personnel, or do they belong to the consultancy firm?

Ali Aksu: They belong to the hospital staff; they have no connection to the company.

Presiding Judge: Who handles the income and expenditure matters?

Ali Aksu: The general managers handle them.

Confession from the hospital owner

“AS MINIMUM WAGE INCREASED, EXPENSES ROSE; I REQUESTED PATIENTS”

Presiding Judge: There is a phone transcript of you with Fırat Sarı where you say, “Try to take in as many patients as possible.”

Ali Aksu: I believe that transcript is from August. Because there was a very high increase in the minimum wage, we had to make adjustments in parallel. When the budget came before me, I saw that expenses had increased. Due to the very high salaries in newborn care and the very low amount paid by the SGK, I requested that they take in patients for our 10-bed unit.

Presiding Judge: There are allegations that epicrises were altered during inspections; what is the situation regarding the 10-person team?

Birinci Hospital owner Ali Aksu: This subject comes up frequently in the transcripts. When the SGK inspection notice arrived at our hospital, I told them to do what was necessary. However, we requested additional time due to the high number of patients. The procedure carried out was the presentation of what the SGK inspectors requested from us in a physical format. When there is an inspection, one wants to ensure that no evidence, or rather, no documentation, is missing.

Presiding Judge: Do all hospitals work this way when there is an inspection?

Ali Aksu: Every hospital has its own way of working.

'They wouldn't come unless they were our friends or acquaintances'

Presiding Judge: There is a situation regarding the collection of money concerning the Serdorava baby.

Ali Aksu: Ms. Emine did not come to me regarding this matter. Unless there is a special situation, they don't come to us; if they are not our friends or acquaintances, they don't come unless there is a special situation.

Presiding Judge: Do you know Gıyasettin?

Ali Aksu: I knew him as someone who worked at a hospital in Bağcılar 8 years ago.

Presiding Judge: Did you have any knowledge regarding patient transfers?

Ali Aksu: I wouldn't have knowledge of that; the managers would have that information.

'COULD NOT BE FOUND BY 112'

Presiding Judge: There is an allegation that Hakan Doğukan introduced himself as a doctor.

Ali Aksu: Unfortunately, I learned about this from the wiretaps.

Presiding Judge: Who authorized the admission when the Opara baby arrived at your hospital?

Ali Aksu: Normally, the responsible physician should handle the admission. Even outside of working hours, procedures are carried out with the approval of the responsible physician. However, there is a special situation in this case. The baby was a pediatric intensive care patient. The baby was placed in an incubator at both hospitals. The critical point is that the baby weighed 5 kilograms. Because a pediatric intensive care unit could not be found, the baby was transferred between the two hospitals by 112 emergency services.

The Presiding Judge encourages empathy...

“IT IS OVERSTEPPING BOUNDARIES”

Presiding Judge: Put yourself in that citizen's shoes... What would you think?

Ali Aksu: This is not an acceptable situation; it is absolutely wrong. I was not aware of this incident. However, if there is a legal matter, it should be reported to the chief physician. This is overstepping one's boundaries.

"THEY WERE SHOWN THE DOOR"

Presiding Judge: What did you do regarding this? Was there any action taken, such as a meeting or termination of employment?

Ali Aksu: I called Mr. Fırat and told him that this was an erroneous action that caused public outrage. There is even a wiretap record where Fırat Sarı says, 'I thought he would fix it, I wish they had stayed at Medilife.' After this incident, the relevant person's employment contract was terminated; they were shown the door. 

"WE DO NOT WANT ILL-GOTTEN MONEY"

Member Judge: Do you have any involvement regarding the patient's discharge period?

Ali Aksu: We do not want ill-gotten money to enter our institution. We are very sensitive about this matter.

'You say that a trial by media has taken place...'

Member Judge: What do you have to say regarding the allegations concerning Şeyhmus Çelik (that he does not come to work, does not attend to patients)?

Ali Aksu: What the children said about Dr. Şeyhmus does not reflect the truth. It may be due to a lack of information or arguments. 

Member Judge: You are saying that there was a trial by media. Did you not ask about the details of the agreement?

Of course, we conducted an investigation.

 

"THERE ARE DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL AGENCIES"

Member Judge: Fırat Sarı also has claims; did you not conduct an internal audit?

Ali Aksu: Since it was done verbally, the content was not relayed to us. One should not think of it only as Fırat Sarı; there are also agreements made with domestic and international agencies. The amount Fırat Sarı received appears to be around 60-70 thousand, and after deducting taxes, something like 20-30 thousand remains. Matters related to this do not come to us.

 

Fırat Sarı ASKED

Fırat Sarı: Can a nurse make a decision regarding the regulations in the neonatal intensive care unit?

Ali Aksu: Just because a nurse implements or knows about a procedure does not grant them the authority to process official documents. Epicrisis procedures are very serious matters, which is why they are linked to electronic signatures. No one can write an epicrisis without the requirement of an e-signature. 

A 10-minute recess was called in the Newborn Gang hearing.

The recess in the hearing has ended. 

Bahar Kanık, who worked as a neonatal intensive care nurse at Çorlu Reyap Hospital, took the stand. 

Regarding her, “it is understood that she committed the crime of negligent homicide by causing the death of the baby Halime Alkari” it is stated.

“I RECEIVED MOTIVATION MONEY AND DISTRIBUTED IT”

Bahar Kanık: I do not accept the accusations made against me. I worked at Reyap Hospital between 2015 and 2020, then took a 2-year break. I worked at other hospitals. Later, I returned to work at Çorlu Reyap in 2022.

The head nurse, Fırat Sarı, said he would distribute money under the name of motivation. We received it. Later, when I became the head nurse, I distributed it to 6 people.

 

“HE CHANGED THE TIME OF DEATH”

Bahar Kanık is presenting her defense regarding baby Halime: 

“The baby had been in the hospital for 2 months and was in poor condition. When I arrived at the hospital, her condition was even more critical. Seeing the baby's state, I called Fırat Sarı. He told us he was dealing with a critical baby in Istanbul and might be delayed. I reported the baby's condition throughout the day. We constantly did what he told us to do. 

He told me once or twice to 'intervene,' which I understood as performing a procedure. I performed the intervention. The vascular access had deteriorated severely. Finally, I shaved her head and administered adrenaline. When he arrived at the hospital and intervened, he administered a drug called Curosurf. Fırat Sarı and I went to a meeting around 4 o'clock. During that time, the baby passed away. Since there was no physician present, the friends kept the baby connected to the machine. Then Fırat Sarı arrived. He changed the time of death. We reached out to the family. We cleaned the baby but waited for the family; we did not shroud her. Then the inspection arrived anyway.”

 

“PULLING THE PLUG WAS A JOKE”

The wiretap regarding baby Sarıkaya: 'Pull the plug on my grandfather'

Bahar Kanık: We intervened with that child from morning until evening. I unfortunately said something like that regarding the Sarıkaya baby as well. It was about a film; we were just joking.

 

“UNFORTUNATE JOKES”

The presiding judge asks about the wiretaps: “You say, ‘At least let him live until I get there, hahaha.’”

Do you have children?

Bahar Kanık: I do.

Presiding Judge: Put yourself in the mother's shoes. How would you feel if you heard this?

Bahar Kanık: You are right; those jokes were truly very unfortunate, I wish we hadn't made them. As nurses, we performed all the interventions. Establishing an IV line from scratch is difficult, and we even did that. We didn't leave anything undone.

Presiding Judge: You say, ‘There was one Curosurf left, I wish you had left it. It should have stayed for Sarıkaya.’ In your defense, you claim there was so much of it, yet you only had one left.

Bahar Kanık: Curosurf was a very important medication for us. It was a drug that had to be kept track of via QR codes. I believe our pharmacist had changed at that time. They must have forgotten to order the Curosurf medication. That is why I am telling this to Fırat Sarı.

“HE DID NOT WANT THEM IN INTENSIVE CARE”

Presiding Judge: Did you report Fırat Sarı to the management?

Bahar Kanık: I did; it was the first time we had stayed for that long. I told him as well. He said, 'I have a 2-hour agreement.' A pediatrician came at our request, but they did not allow them into the intensive care unit. I think they could not reach an agreement. At first, Fırat Sarı did not cause any issues. I think he heard that he [the pediatrician] had come as an intensive care doctor. After that, he did not give permission. Sometimes we would show the babies to the doctor secretly, but the management was aware of that as well.

 

MOTIVATION PAYMENTS

Prosecutor Kadir Kocakaya: Under what name were you distributing the money to the nurses?

Bahar Kanık: As a bonus called 'motivation'.

Prosecutor: Did you tell them who it came from?

Bahar Kanık: They knew they were coming from Mr. Fırat.

Prosecutor: Was the management aware of the money coming to you?

Bahar Kanık: They were, the head nurse was.

Prosecutor: Only the head nurse?

Bahar Kanık: Yes.

Prosecutor: Who was it?

Bahar Kanık: Hilal Vatansever.

 

TRANSFER FROM CITY HOSPITAL

Prosecutor Kadir Kocakaya: How did baby Halime arrive?

Bahar Kanık: I know she came from Tekirdağ City Hospital.

 

“HE CHANGED THE TIME OF DEATH”

Prosecutor Kadir Kocakaya: You say Fırat Sarı changed the time of death to evade responsibility; could you elaborate?

Bahar Kanık: He couldn't provide information to the family because he wasn't there. That is why he changed the time of death.

SGK lawyer: Did they know the source of the 'motivation fee'?

Bahar Kanık: Nurses in the hospitals were complaining about shortages. When I arrived at the hospital, our supervisor was distributing it. After I became the supervisor, I distributed it, but we did not know the source.

SGK lawyer: Who was the supervisor?

Bahar Kanık: Ümmügül Orhan.

SGK lawyer: How much was it?

Bahar Kanık: 15,000 was deposited into my account. I would then distribute it among 5-6 people based on seniority.

SGK lawyer: What was your average monthly income from this?

Bahar Kanık: Between 2,000 and 3,000 liras.

SGK lawyer: To what extent did this affect your life?

The question was objected to.

Ceylan Çetin, who worked as a nurse at TRG Hospital, took the stand.

It is alleged that the defendant committed the crime of 'qualified fraud' by 'writing irregular epicrisis reports in the intensive care unit, transferring patients without using the 112 system, manipulating patient classification levels, and billing the SGK for medications in a manner contrary to the truth.'

“5 MEDICATIONS WERE MISSING”

Ceylan Çetin: I was working as a nurse at TRG Hospitalist. 

I would like to explain the Curosurf medication. We made a consultancy service agreement in July. The same nurses continued. I did not provide patient care for 3 years. I was preparing medications in the central area. One nurse cares for 4 patients, and I prepare their treatments. 

I knew our friend Hasan Basri as a nurse working alongside Fırat Sarı. 

Hasan Basri asked me for Curosurf. He said he was taking it to other patients. When I came to my shift, I saw that 5 medications were missing. I called him. He said he had taken them. I asked for confirmation. Seeing that it was the case, I did not dwell on it. He said everyone was aware of it.

"I LEARNED ABOUT IT IN CUSTODY"

Nurse Ceylan Çetin: A month later, there was a loss of about 20-30 Curosurf units, and I went directly to the management. I spoke with Murat Mantuş. I asked if Fırat Bey was aware. He scolded me, asking how that could be. I told him I thought the management was aware. At that moment, I saw Hasan. He looked a bit sullen.

I learned about the selling of medication while we were being held in custody. 

Nurses' salaries in the private sector are very low, which is why I left.

Presiding Judge: There are account transactions between you and Çağla Durmuş. What are they?

Defendant: She was my roommate. When I was short on money, I would borrow from her. When we were renting a house, I borrowed 30,000 liras from her. 

Presiding Judge: You said they took over the business in July 2023, what are the details?

Defendant: I have no information regarding the details. 

Presiding Judge: In your wiretap record with Cansu, you said, 'I am sending Ayşe to the 3rd floor'?

Defendant: It has been a year, I do not remember.

Presiding Judge: Çağla, regarding the files... we have files, but they don't match, right? You are saying that even for us, the feeding records don't match. 

Defendant: There were no inspections before. I was very surprised. They looked at the patient's orders and checked everything. I said the bed sheets didn't match. No one had written anything down yet either. 

Presiding Judge: Çağla says, 'Buddy, I don't know, I don't know if they found anything.' And you reply, 'They will find it, everything is out in the open.' 

Defendant: 3-4 teams had come for the inspection. They were searching in great detail. Mr. Mehmet accompanied them. I meant that if they are looking for something, they will definitely find it. 

Presiding Judge: You say, 'Buddy, what is Dr. İlker doing there?' You say, 'We have a lot of goods.' You say, 'They can't catch us, buddy.' 

Defendant: We had heard a little about the business logic. I said that if irregular epicrisis reports were being written, there was no possibility of escaping this and it would definitely be noticed.

DAY 10 OF THE TRIAL CONCLUDES 

Day 10 of the Newborn Gang trial has ended.

Four defendants were heard in court today. There are 3 non-detained defendants remaining whose testimonies have yet to be taken.

The hearing will resume on Monday at 09:30 with the testimonies of the remaining non-detained defendants.