'Arrest' debate between Ersan Şen and Cem Küçük: 'Do you have any power?'

A debate took place on live television between criminal law expert Prof. Dr. Ersan Şen and journalist Cem Küçük.

The discussion, which began over the İBB investigations, reached the point of journalist Fatih Altaylı's arrest.

When Şen asked, "What are you going to do, are you going to put everyone in jail?", Küçük further escalated the tension by saying, "What can you do, do you have any power?"

Here is that dialogue:

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Cem Küçük: Soytekin is someone who worked as a plasterer for years at İmamoğlu İnşaat, which is known as İmamoğlu's plastering firm. When İmamoğlu became the Mayor of Beylikdüzü, Soytekin founded a company. Everyone who went to jail because of this company became a confessor. Both the giver and the receiver are confessing. Soytekin is also explaining how they transferred money to İmamoğlu's companies. We have read some of the statements. Soytekin is saying who received money and who gave it. These are already in the MASAK reports. You say don't pass judgment, and I am not, but one of the perpetrators of this business is saying I did this, which is what I have been explaining for months based on the MASAK reports.

Ersan Şen: Ekrem İmamoğlu appears to have been declared guilty in advance through what we call a de facto process. There is no indictment in sight.

Cem Küçük: So much information, so many documents...

Ersan Şen: I think they are trying to devalue Ekrem İmamoğlu; even AK Party members are tired of this trial by media.

Cem Küçük: No, they are not tired at all, it is not like that at all.

Ersan Şen: Let's see the indictment, then we can talk.

Cem Küçük: There was no indictment for the mayor in Lyon, but the allegations against him were written in the newspapers.

Ersan Şen: The arrest measure is being applied incorrectly.

Cem Küçük: That is something else.

Ersan Şen: Whatever we say right now is empty. The floor is yours for now.

Cem Küçük: In the US, a judge would have already made a decision based on the testimony of two people.

Ersan Şen: There is no such world.

Cem Küçük: There is such a world.

Ersan Şen: You give irrelevant examples and what were you saying the other day... You were talking about sexual assault and so on, did Ekrem İmamoğlu commit sexual assault?

Cem Küçük: You say that because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Ersan Şen: Don't do this, don't devalue people.

Cem Küçük: There is a very serious allegation of bribery and corruption there. The allegations are very clear.

Ersan Şen: The man has been arrested, he is inside, his hands are tied. Let the indictment come out, then we will talk.

Cem Küçük: It will come out anyway, you will find an excuse for that too.

Ersan Şen: I don't find excuses; you are good at the 'loading in advance' business. You are skilled at that.

Cem Küçük: Actually, you know more about the corruption and bribery there than I do. You would understand it better. Wouldn't a lawyer of many years know? If he sees it, he understands it.

Ersan Şen: You are a trial-by-media executioner; you did the same thing to Fatih Altaylı.

Cem Küçük: The man threatened the President with death. He also made Menderes comparisons in the past. You make a sultan reminder to the President, then you say he was killed and twist the words. He couldn't show that courage in court.

Ersan Şen: Tell me about the arrest, come on...

Cem Küçük: You should also say that the comparison is wrong. Why don't you say it's wrong? Your hatred for Erdoğan has blinded you. How did you get to Fatih Altaylı?

Ersan Şen: I am talking about his arrest...

Cem Küçük: Tell that to the judge, why are you telling me? Did I have the man arrested? Tell the President's advisor, tell Erdoğan. You are terrified of Erdoğan, you cannot open your mouths. You are afraid, you cannot criticize the man who threatened Erdoğan with death.

Ersan Şen: You talk like this when it suits you, and you talk like that when it suits you. What are you going to do, are you going to put everyone in jail?

Cem Küçük: What can you do, do you have any power?

Ersan Şen: Do you have any power, are you having people put in jail?

Cem Küçük: Did I arrest him? The judge arrested him, tell him that.

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